Dave is joined by the Podfather himself, the founder and CEO of The Ringer, Bill Simmons.

Dave makes steaks that challenge Bill's wet-aged vs. dry-aged opinions, and then they discuss his "secret to basketball," which applies to much more than just sports—and explains Bill's unique ability to find and foster talent, as well as predict future trends.

They finish with a discussion of the top five American chefs in history and a MOIF about whether or not a movie director can be considered great if they've never filmed food.