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Victor Grazi - Oracle Java Champion & Co-Author of "Real-World Java"
Jeanne Boyarsky - Oracle Java Champion, Co-Author of "Real-World Java" & "OCP 21 Java Cert Book"
Barry Burd - Professor at Drew University, Owner at Burd Brain Consulting & Author of "Java for Dummies"

RESOURCES
Victor
https://x.com/vgrazi
https://www.linkedin.com/in/victorgrazi

Jeanne
https://bsky.app/profile/jeanneboyarsky.bsky.social
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanne-boyarsky

Barry
https://x.com/allmycode
https://www.linkedin.com/in/barry-burd

Links
https://projectlombok.org
https://www.selikoff.net/2014/12/07/why-i-like-regular-expressions-who-says-they-arent-readable

DESCRIPTION
Barry interviews Victor and Jeanne about their book "Real-World Java: Helping You Navigate the Java Ecosystem".
Victor emphasizes that knowing how to use your development tools, particularly IDE refactoring features, is a better indicator of developer experience than algorithm tests.
Rather than just teaching "hello world" examples, the authors focus on the essential ecosystem components needed to succeed in enterprise Java environments, making it accessible for anyone who knows the Java language but needs to understand the broader technological landscape they'll encounter in professional development roles.

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